Can we trust Jeep people?

[gp517]

Dodge Ram EcoDiesel has been around since 2014, for a short while we saw EcoDiesel in Jeep offerings. Currently Jeep Wrangler and Gladiator are offering EcoDiesel engines, the question is, are people actually buying them?

If there is a large adoption of EcoDiesel engines within Jeep Wrangler community, it should provide parts and technicians for years to come.

 

[TC Diesel]

Fiat will destroy Jeep owners loyalty, Just give it time, Most Jeep owners use the vehicle for use that any DSL would likely inherit problems, the VM 3.0 is the worst DSL power plant to invade NA in 20 Years, I Rank the 3.0VM with 6.0 Ford 2003-07.

 

[gp517]

I assume by DSL you mean diesel engine.

I agree EcoDiesel has a tarnished reputation and FCA now Stellantis is hard to trust.

However, it seems there is now Gen1, Gen2 and Gen3 EcoDiesels. JL Wranglers/Rubicons have Gen3, which is supposed to be more reliable.
People seem to choose EcoDiesel for torque, which means 37" or 40" tires can be used without having to re-gear those Jeeps. Reviews are super positive! Aftermarket needs to figure out how to service and keep emissions equipment functioning, while making EPA happy. We should see EcoDiesel in service for years to come. Of course fierce competition is coming from 4xe Jeeps and also fully electric. Hopefully, Jeep community will see advantages of diesel while in "deep offroad" 50++ miles away from Starbucks and electric charger. If diesel runs out of fuel, someone could eventually get you a diesel fuel in a can, getting electric energy could be challenging, unless someone bring in a few Honda generators.

It's very likely that Heavy Duty 3/4 ton (2500) and above Diesel trucks are here to stay, but 1/2 ton and light diesel trucks are very debatable.
I would love to see EcoDiesel Rams in production for few more decades, I think they serve their users well, minus some hassle.

 

[TC Diesel]

Thats just marketing, Cento has not updated it facility to modernizations, require producing spec's....Just give it time and the Jeep forums will be inundated with the same results of ED forums. The Ecodiesel has already been out to pasture, its now called just 1500 DSL or Jeep DSL. Yes it would be great to see the 1/2-Jeep DSL survive, IMO its not going to happen with current power plant in Rams/Jeeps.

 

[gp517]

Thats just marketing, Cento has not updated it facility to modernizations, require producing spec's....Just give it time and the Jeep forums will be inundated with the same results of ED forums. The Ecodiesel has already been out to pasture, its now called just 1500 DSL or Jeep DSL. Yes it would be great to see the 1/2-Jeep DSL survive, IMO its not going to happen with current power plant in Rams/Jeeps.

I don't disagree with you, although you are telling me not what I would like to hear and I appreciate that!

What do you recommend as alternative? Another diesel, no diesel or "don't fight them, join them" and go for full electric like Rivian R1T?
Obviously in 1500 segment, Ford just canceled it's 3.0L PowerStroke in F150, GM halted (but not canceled) 3.0L Duramax. Diesel Toyota Tundra in USA is nothing but rumors at this point.

 

[TC Diesel]

See My point, if the 3.0VM stops production it will get even more ugly for 3.0VM owners. Simply stated, it requires new Power plant like 4.3L that will work in light 2500 and 1500 Models. My stand on 2500 the 6.7 Cummins is just too Big for 2500 the Cost vs Mileage just does not pencil.

 

[gp517]

See My point, if the 3.0VM stops production it will get even more ugly for 3.0VM owners. Simply stated, it requires new Power plant like 4.3L that will work in light 2500 and 1500 Models. My stand on 2500 the 6.7 Cummins is just too Big for 2500 the Cost vs Mileage just does not pencil.

Sounds like Stellantis owns both Jeep/Ram and VM Motori, so pretty easy to cancel that if they decided to do so.
I think Nissan had the "right idea" with Cummins V8 5.0, sadly that engine never caught on.

 

[TC Diesel]

The 5.0 is just to Big for 1500, Also it was V8, 4.3L can be inline 6 and still fit in Ram current engine compartment.

 

[GearHead]

The 5.0 Cummins returned terrible fuel mileage which is why it was marketed in a "Heavy Half Ton" not quite a 2500 but heavier than a 1500 so fuel mileage did not have to be advertised. That motor suffered the same issues as our 3.0 VM's due to EPA exhaust requirements and incorrect driving habits for the regen. I agree the 3.0, even in the redesign, still needs highway miles, not rock crawling to keep the exhaust system happy so I see trouble ahead for that selection. My wife's 2015 Grand Cherokee delivers 27 mpg highway with her 3.0 and we have had no problems with the DPF that were not cleared up with a 20 minute drive at 65mph. She did manage to break the DEF injector off the DPF, I still haven't figured that one out, and the new injector required an Adaptive Relearn reset.

I have seen the Ford Powerstroke, Chevy Duramax, and the Cummins all fail due to clogged exhaust just like our little 3.0 VM, almost all due to incorrect driving requirements. When checking with my parts supplier the oil filter for our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generations cost $16.50 but the 4th gen has a different part number and cost $46.00. I also have noted that www.moparpowertrain.com now lists re-manufactured eco's on their website. Owner knowledge and dealer tech experience and knowledge, along with appropriate driving patterns go a long way toward a happy experience with this or any diesel.

My 2500 Cummins has exhibited a low of 14.7mpg and a high of 20.1mpg dependent on speed, head wind, towing, so for a nearly 8K lb. empty vehicle it is not bad.

The biggest challenge the internal combustion engine has at this time, diesel or gas, is the EPA and the Radical Environmentalists who populate it.