DEF Injector

[John Jensen]

John it's all over the gauge some 22 other 24%. John you mean to tell Me Your Tuner did not set the DEF at NO MIL/CEL? what did you buy? My 2015 3.0 did not or does My 2016 6.7 Cummins, And some 2017s 6.7 and 3.0VMs have reported the same. It's odd your 2016 trigger the message it's the 1st Eco 2016 that I have heard of.

With the stock tune I get the alert. Twice, for recalls, I returned to stock tune and got the alert. Had to drain the DEF tank and refill with new DEF to clear the alerts before taking it to dealer.

I have SFT tunes. Prior to the W58 tone wheel recall, the SFT tune had the DEF system operating great and no alerts. When they updated the tune to accept the W58 recall, their new tune alerted. I complained and they gave me a correcting tune. Their correcting tune shut down the DEF system and turned off the DEF level gauge. I complained and asked them to put the DEF system and gauge back in operation, like it was before the W58 recall. They said "No, had too many problems". I think they shut it down because they didn't know how to fix it. Previously, they shut down the "go into Cruise Control below 25mph" and gave the same excuse. That's why I'm shopping for a new tuner. Any suggestions?

 

[TC Diesel]

Today... its tuff... risky. Geez with EFI we just program for No Mil/CEL done. We were working on Plug and play for 24% but C19 changed all that. It's a gray area because it did NOT defeat any (AECD) and had no effect on NOx sensors, Heck I would guess that most driving would meet the Near 0PPM at 10% levels , its a bunch of Yeywhos that came up with 33%

 

[Adamdj89]

TC Diesel thanks for all.the useful Info...bc I am new to this....do you have to dilute your DEF fluid? That is something I did not know

 

[Adamdj89]

Wow after reading everyone's thread I feel like I have purchased a diesel operated computer..lol....this will be interesting to learn about the complexity of these trucks

 

[TC Diesel]

No. 89, you can run DEF at 67-33% but drooping will add in DEF pump/injector life.

 

[Adamdj89]

So glad I joined this forum tho.....a ton of helpful information from very knowledgeable and experienced people

 

[TC Diesel]

Wow after reading everyone's thread I feel like I have purchased a diesel operated computer..lol....this will be interesting to learn about the complexity of these trucks

Owning any VM product will be educational to say the least........

 

[TC Diesel]

89, the best advice I can give is Alfa OBDII and learn how to use, and NO grocery getting on daily basis. You will need the bypass on 2018+ for the SGM.

 

[Adamdj89]

Something I should probably mention is that my model is a Canadian model..an Outdoorsman which I found out discontinued model....the engine and components however should be the same I assume

 

[Adamdj89]

TC diesel once again extremely helpful...have an I300j 0BD2 but i think it only gives me CEL codes and what they are...will have to invest, order and ship in an Alfa OBDII....will do my research to see what I find

 

[Adamdj89]

Also I do plan on doing a DPF system delete..have the Kit just waiting on date scheduled by Tech

 

[EcoDieselJolene]

Am I understanding you guys correctly, in that I should dump in a little distilled water with my DEF to keep the system in better shape?

 

[TC Diesel]

Mix 1 Gallon Distilled water to 2.5/2 Gallons DEF.

 

[Adamdj89]

Unfortunately 89 you have 2018, it may have the quality sensor, so that sensor will pick up and trigger code when it drops below 24% Urea, 2014-17 only have common sensor so NO urea sensor, on 2014-17 you can run down to 10% and if you drop below 10% you will get CEL on rational code NONE effect driving, and you won't see the message "Service DEF" if CEL appears just add more DEF, DEF 33/67% is corrosive and abrasive and it will crystallize at DEF injector nozzle possibly leaving you to see the count down or worst.

Also Buy ALFA OBD2 and place your 3.0VM into stationary de-soot just prior to lube service... or 2-4 Times Yearly to lessen the events of the 100% self-destruct message to see dealer $$$$

I ran My 2015 at 10-12% for 4.25 Years (40K Miles ) 2 Gallon distilled water to 1 Gallon DEF error free. This will likely add to DEF injector/Pump Life. I had customer call Me from Hawaii, he had No choice but to let the dealer replace his DEF pump/injector (Tank) at a cost of $3,200.00, He call and told before he left the States, he wishes he had followed My Recommendation to sell the 2014, its been problem free up to this point, put with all the likeliness of plenum and other problems with 3.0VM he will be trading ASAP.

TC Diesel can you attach a pic of the Alfa OBDII. Want to make sure I get the right one.. thanks

 

[TC Diesel]

I like MX it the most expense and others have claimed X works But IMO you get what you pay for.

 

[Adamdj89]

I like MX it the most expense and others have claimed X works But IMO you get what you pay for.

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Thanks a lot...and this is the same one you use to help monitor DPF system and regens?

 

[TC Diesel]

No, I use a monitor for that, You can use the AFLA for such use , but I would find that cumbersome.

 

[Standup Rider]

My 2016 Eco is my daily driver of "a lot of short trip or stop and go driving" and I have never seen the 100% full message, nor have I ever had an exhaust sytem problem. I agree that my use is the worst use for any diesel vehicle. So I compensate.

I monitor exhaust temps, DPF soot level and regen activity. If I'm on a short hop and I see a regen about to start or has started, I keep driving until the regen completes. I rarely stop and shop if a regen is in progress. I can also issue a command causing the truck to regen (when I next start it, and it reaches the required temps).

My point is, while short hop driving is a terrible way to treat a diesel, it can be done with no consequences.

So how do you know that a regen is happening? I have a 2016 ED with 102,000 miles that I have owned for 2 years. It’s not my everyday driver. I usually take it on longer highway drives when I use it.

 

[John Jensen]

So how do you know that a regen is happening? I have a 2016 ED with 102,000 miles that I have owned for 2 years. It’s not my everyday driver. I usually take it on longer highway drives when I use it.

I use an Edge CTS2 to monitor the data I mentioned above. I've also used a CTS3 but that will not initiate or force a regen like the CTS2.