New engine ordered

[Yarby]

Hey folks, new to this forum. Just had to bring my '18 ram eco diesel to the Chrysler dealership on Monday n was notified that the engine needs to replace with a cost of around 30k. Definitely terrible news to start the week. New engine will be 3rd gen with 3yr 160k warranty. My question is, do I trust it going fwd or do I try n sell it after the the engine is installed. Calling Chrysler today to see how they can help with the cost because my family has been a loyal customer for many yrs.

 

[Mr. Hemi]

Theres a company in Canada that can do it for 1/2 that.
And they have done a ton of them.

Ram 1500 3.0L Eco Diesel – Page 2 – One Stop Goat Shop

They sell them and install them. With the Canadian dollar so low, if you have us funds you will save about $20,000 grand???.
Heres another.

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-engines-and-engine-parts/guelph/brand-new-mopar-eco-diesel-3l-engines/1702206854.

A used one???.

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-engines-and-engine-parts/stratford-on/ram-eco-diesel-engine/1704863895.

These are all in Canadian dollars.
Hope that helps.

 

[Mr. Hemi]

I would keep the truck if you like it.
Buy a GDE hot tune, and maybe your truck will last 300,000 kms like mine.
Good Luck.

 

[Yarby]

Really appreciate that link. Bookmarked it for future problems lol
Think I'll be holding onto it for a couple yrs at least. Its been a good truck overall for me.

 

[biodiesel]

Hey folks, new to this forum. Just had to bring my '18 ram eco diesel to the Chrysler dealership on Monday n was notified that the engine needs to replace with a cost of around 30k. Definitely terrible news to start the week. New engine will be 3rd gen with 3yr 160k warranty. My question is, do I trust it going fwd or do I try n sell it after the the engine is installed. Calling Chrysler today to see how they can help with the cost because my family has been a loyal customer for many yrs.

You won't be getting a 3rd gen engine. A replacement engine will be a 2nd gen engine. The dealership won't and can't install a 3rd gen engine in a 4th gen truck.

 

[Ricerocket27]

Interesting dilemma. I have a 2014 Ecodiesel Longhorn, and it's a great truck. I drive it 19,000 mile towing our 7000lb trailer around America the summer of 2022, faultless. But in June this year at 101k miles, it spun the mains. I have since learnt a lot! Long story short, had I known what I do now about these engines, I would not have bought it. But I'm stuck with it now. What really kills them is the EGR system, which just puts shit straight back into the engine, see attached photo, that is all the carbon I scraped out of my inlet Manifold! GDE are good, but they will not do an electronic EGR delete (due to it being illegal in California). But Ecodiesel of Canada will. Similar tune pricing. Stopping the EGR means much less shit gets into your oil, which is I think the biggest killer of these motors. Mine is certainly getting an EoC tune with EGR stopped when I get it back together. Does any of that help?

 

[biodiesel]

What really kills them is the EGR system, which just puts shit straight back into the engine, see attached photo, that is all the carbon I scraped out of my inlet Manifold! GDE are good, but they will not do an electronic EGR delete (due to it being illegal in California). But Ecodiesel of Canada will. Similar tune pricing. Stopping the EGR means much less shit gets into your oil, which is I think the biggest killer of these motors. Mine is certainly getting an EoC tune with EGR stopped when I get it back together. Does any of that help?

EGR has nothing to do with engine failures. There are people with over 400,000 miles on their bone stock EcoDiesels. I tow a 7,000 lb camper a good 5,000 - 8,000 miles per year with no issues. My 2015 is bone stock at 130,000 miles.

 

[Ricerocket27]

EGR has nothing to do with engine failures. There are people with over 400,000 miles on their bone stock EcoDiesels. I tow a 7,000 lb camper a good 5,000 - 8,000 miles per year with no issues. My 2015 is bone stock at 130,000 miles.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Mine is, oil is the life blood of any engine. Dirty oil is bad news.

 

[biodiesel]

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Mine is, oil is the life blood of any engine. Dirty oil is bad news.

Do you take oil samples? If you're open to learning, you'll find out that bottom end failures on the EcoDiesel have nothing to do with the cleanliness of the oil. As a matter of fact, most failures happen under 60,000 miles. Borderline design and improper specs from the factory are the reason for bottom end failures. That's why some engines fail at 30,000 miles and other never fail. There are lots of engines with over 300,000 miles and just a handful over 500,000 miles. One of the engine builders has now rebuilt over 190 EcoDiesel engines. They are installing better bearings and making sure they have proper clearances.

 

[Ricerocket27]

Do you take oil samples? If you're open to learning, you'll find out that bottom end failures on the EcoDiesel have nothing to do with the cleanliness of the oil. As a matter of fact, most failures happen under 60,000 miles. Borderline design and improper specs from the factory are the reason for bottom end failures. That's why some engines fail at 30,000 miles and other never fail. There are lots of engines with over 300,000 miles and just a handful over 500,000 miles. One of the engine builders has now rebuilt over 190 EcoDiesel engines. They are installing better bearings and making sure they have proper clearances.

Certainly open to learning. What advice do you have about better bearings (given Dodge have discontinued standard rod and main bearings, and crankshafts)?

I actually still need all three ....

 

[biodiesel]

Certainly open to learning. What advice do you have about better bearings (given Dodge have discontinued standard rod and main bearings, and crankshafts)?

I actually still need all three ....

The engine builders are using oversized bearings. Some use KING bearings and others are using M&K bearings. When the main bearing fails, it will cause low oil pressure to the rods, which results in a spun rod bearing. If the engine doesn't get shut down in time, then you end up with a broken crankshaft.

Those of us with stock engines are watching silver in our UOA reports. It's a bad sign if the silver gets above 4 PPM. Tight bearing clearances from the factory can be a problem, especially if the conditions are right (high load/low rpm causing torsional vibration and crankshaft deflection).

You can either find parts from a used engine or make connections with those in Europe.

 

[Ricerocket27]

The engine builders are using oversized bearings. Some use KING bearings and others are using M&K bearings. When the main bearing fails, it will cause low oil pressure to the rods, which results in a spun rod bearing. If the engine doesn't get shut down in time, then you end up with a broken crankshaft.

Those of us with stock engines are watching silver in our UOA reports. It's a bad sign if the silver gets above 4 PPM. Tight bearing clearances from the factory can be a problem, especially if the conditions are right (high load/low rpm causing torsional vibration and crankshaft deflection).

You can either find parts from a used engine or make connections with those in Europe.

Thanks. By oversize beatings, do you mean wider, ie full with of the bearing support, or do you mean oversize as in crank grind? My crank is trash, and I'd much rather fit wider bearings if I can find them. I'm up for a new crank, I've exhausted my second hand marked (all were cracked). Any contacts would be appreciated.