Older Slower Wiser
New Member
- Dec 10, 2016
- 17
- 4
- Truck Year
- 2015
Hi all. Just letting you all know my frustration with owning an 2015 ECO Diesel.
A little back ground - I bought the Ecodiesel new at the end of 2014 as my retirement truck. Plan was to pay it off before retirement and put a million miles on it or die first. Yes I knew it would have to be rebuilt a couple times before 1,000,000 miles. Thought I did my due diligence on truck reliability (OOPS.)
Truck currently has 190,000 miles on it.
1: emissions recall and 3,075 payment. I’ve had my ECM Update and was paid the 3,075. The truck had about 112,000 on it at the time. I lost 2-4 mpg. Was told nothing they could do about it.
2: Got a notice from FMC while waiting for ECM update and related parts. The notice was for possible engine compartment fires. I was still driving it waiting for needed parts. Three days after getting recall letter and after talking to a dealer the engine caught fire. FMC would not cover fire although it was a direct result of the emissions recall.
Went round and round with FMC and was told fires happen and to talk to insurance. In the end insurance paid for a complete engine and installation. Cost was about $14,000.00. This Issue was most definitely FMC Issue and should have been warrantied by FMC. My Insurance is now more costly.
3: Was coming home from Texas, i live in Illinois. While going thru Arkansas I got a warning message saying take truck to a dealer, truck will not restart in 250 miles. Need exhaust repairs. I knew where a dealer was in central Arkansas and stopped there. My truck only had about 50 miles left before shutting down.
Dealer couldn’t get all parts for five days. I was stuck in nowhere Arkansas for five days waiting for parts. No loaner vehicle. Had to pay for five nites motels and had to mostly walk everywhere. (Nearest car rental was two towns away.)
just an FYI. If you ever burn up the urea injector plug a new one costs $160.00 at dealership. This is just a small two prong sealed plug. Cost to manufacture about $3.00 Cost at a big box parts store $40.00. Total bill was over $1,600. Including labor, Urea injector, urea heated line and misc.
But this is what really gets me. The ECM flash has cost me more than $3,070 in extra fuel over the last 75,000 miles. Then there is the lag when taking off. Also there is a noticeable loss of power when pulling a boat.
if I understand this correctly since I excepted the 3,075 for the ECM flash I lost all rights to further litigation.
Was also told that when ECM was flashed the ability to restart truck by bypassing a relay in the fuse box was taken away
I also asked what would have happened if I did not get ECM flashed. Was told FMC would have to pay about $20,000 dollar fine. I would gladly pay $3,075 to get my fuel mileage back.
And now I’m pissed. The attorneys got their money at our expense. FMC did not pay their fair share of the harm they’ve cost so many of us. The dealers can’t be trusted when they seem to consistently over charge for parts and labor. Insurance companies seem to have no interest keeping car part costs down. What ever the claim costs, they just pay it. they do not seem to have any interest in holding down repair costs.
This all seems to point to possible collusion between Insurance and FMC. And Collusion between FMC and Attorneys.
Can anyone prove there was no collusion?
Can anyone prove the law firm that filed the law suit did it in our best interests or was it in theirs.
Why did we not have the option to return truck and get our money back.
A little back ground - I bought the Ecodiesel new at the end of 2014 as my retirement truck. Plan was to pay it off before retirement and put a million miles on it or die first. Yes I knew it would have to be rebuilt a couple times before 1,000,000 miles. Thought I did my due diligence on truck reliability (OOPS.)
Truck currently has 190,000 miles on it.
1: emissions recall and 3,075 payment. I’ve had my ECM Update and was paid the 3,075. The truck had about 112,000 on it at the time. I lost 2-4 mpg. Was told nothing they could do about it.
2: Got a notice from FMC while waiting for ECM update and related parts. The notice was for possible engine compartment fires. I was still driving it waiting for needed parts. Three days after getting recall letter and after talking to a dealer the engine caught fire. FMC would not cover fire although it was a direct result of the emissions recall.
Went round and round with FMC and was told fires happen and to talk to insurance. In the end insurance paid for a complete engine and installation. Cost was about $14,000.00. This Issue was most definitely FMC Issue and should have been warrantied by FMC. My Insurance is now more costly.
3: Was coming home from Texas, i live in Illinois. While going thru Arkansas I got a warning message saying take truck to a dealer, truck will not restart in 250 miles. Need exhaust repairs. I knew where a dealer was in central Arkansas and stopped there. My truck only had about 50 miles left before shutting down.
Dealer couldn’t get all parts for five days. I was stuck in nowhere Arkansas for five days waiting for parts. No loaner vehicle. Had to pay for five nites motels and had to mostly walk everywhere. (Nearest car rental was two towns away.)
just an FYI. If you ever burn up the urea injector plug a new one costs $160.00 at dealership. This is just a small two prong sealed plug. Cost to manufacture about $3.00 Cost at a big box parts store $40.00. Total bill was over $1,600. Including labor, Urea injector, urea heated line and misc.
But this is what really gets me. The ECM flash has cost me more than $3,070 in extra fuel over the last 75,000 miles. Then there is the lag when taking off. Also there is a noticeable loss of power when pulling a boat.
if I understand this correctly since I excepted the 3,075 for the ECM flash I lost all rights to further litigation.
Was also told that when ECM was flashed the ability to restart truck by bypassing a relay in the fuse box was taken away
I also asked what would have happened if I did not get ECM flashed. Was told FMC would have to pay about $20,000 dollar fine. I would gladly pay $3,075 to get my fuel mileage back.
And now I’m pissed. The attorneys got their money at our expense. FMC did not pay their fair share of the harm they’ve cost so many of us. The dealers can’t be trusted when they seem to consistently over charge for parts and labor. Insurance companies seem to have no interest keeping car part costs down. What ever the claim costs, they just pay it. they do not seem to have any interest in holding down repair costs.
This all seems to point to possible collusion between Insurance and FMC. And Collusion between FMC and Attorneys.
Can anyone prove there was no collusion?
Can anyone prove the law firm that filed the law suit did it in our best interests or was it in theirs.
Why did we not have the option to return truck and get our money back.
